The difference in a good amateur player and a touring professional is typically going to be short game, endurance, and that space between the ears. He defeated Will Zalatoris in a 3-hole playoff to clinch the title for the second time. Whatever helps you sleep at night my friend. Carry Distance 302.9 Victoria II. I stressed this to my fitter - make sure you talk to them about your golf as they are only seeing a small sample of your game. They hit 4-irons 208 yards and 5-irons 199 yards on average. [color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(229, 228, 226)]Launch Angle - 11*[/background][/size][/color] [quote name='baseballfrk8998' timestamp='1364403832' post='6707431'] Not sure how you measure it down to the exact yard on an average driving range. I think it would be awesome to see if any of the numbers change due to the new developments. I guess that's laughable though, right?
The title would be just as useful as well. Carry Efficiency 2.51 [color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(229, 228, 226)]Average Distance - 302 yards[/background][/size][/color] This course setup for the AMA is assuming a perfectly optimal drive by the golfer so in theory 395 yards would be a maximum length for the AMA based on 50% GIR. How to gain more distance without swinging faster? How Far Does a 3 Wood vs 5 Wood Go? Paste as plain text instead, Im sure most of them can squeeze out 10 extra yards on every club on this chart. As you can guess my improvement has now become dependent on driver efficiency and distance. Your email address will not be published. Driver: Charles Kelley whats in the bag accurate as of the Pebble Beach Pro-Am. It was soft in landing rather than quick and checking. [/quote] My hunch its even bigger for AFA vs AMA? I don't measure my driver distance either. [/quote] By comparison a 5-wood carries 235 yards and hit a 3 hybrid, which measures from 19 to 21, an average carry distance of 230 yards. Theyre familiar and consistent, you wont see Bob Vokey ever designing a wedge with a high toe or full face of grooves. It is vital for them to know exactly how far they hit their wedges with a variety of different types of shots because feel is so important from those short distances, especially at the top level of the game, where a yard or two can make the difference between winning or losing a tournament. I went into a facility with Trackman launch monitors and have attached I shared the dispersion plot with our local club committee who are thinking of installing trackman after redeveloping several holes, and was asked questions along these lines: 1. Most of the guys I play/practice with are +2 to 5 handicaps. Especially when they was no other golfers in sight. I genuinely believe Vokeys make me a better bunker player, the SM8s changed my bunker game and these are just as good. How many average golfers drive the ball 250 yards and keep it in the fairway? Is the dispersion linear, eg at 176 yards is it the same proportion at 88 feet or more? I think some of you think too highly of yourselves & don't give tour players enough credit. I wouldn't take a trackman stat to the bank. Trackman is pretty interesting, obviously path and angle of attack change depending on the shot your trying to shape. [quote name='jeffrey08250' timestamp='1364360280' post='6704435'] [/color] (Unimpededof course, because we always were able to play during the week). Nothing feels better than a Vokey, theyre silky smooth and with the right setup just slide under the ball. In my experiences wedges can be the least searched review on YouTube and some of the worst fitting processes. it would be great to see this information on a broadcast on a couple of hole locations - combined with protracer. [/quote] Callaway XR Pro (20) Diamana White 90X Titleist 906F4 13.5* Fuji Rombax 8Z08 X Titleist 712 CB 4-9, MB PW KBS Tour (HS1X) I blame it on TV coverage. My full swing with a driver was anout ewual to an average guys 9 iron turn. I figured that out years ago based on hole distance and yardage to the flag after my tee shot. Shaft: Aldila NV, 7-wood: Callaway Big Bertha That's my opinion at least. TI Taylormade SIM (9.0) Tensei CK Pro Orange 70TX Shaft: Graphite Design Tour AD IZ 85 S, Irons: Callaway Apex Forged (2021) (4-PW) 716MB (5-PW)- DG S400 [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364353617' post='6703853'] If I slow it down some and shoot for 280-290, I hit more fairways. All rights reserved. I'm not going to wear my body down trying to swing that club. Short hitter compared to the average WRXer How can that be true. Again, I would certainly encourage you to get fitted for these due to the variations on offer and especially get fitted on grass as a mat does not give any useful feedback on interaction needed for bounce and grind. These high-level numbers of course dont always tell the whole story as the pros like us are faced with an infinite variety of golf shots which dont always mean they are hitting each club as far as they possibly can for every shot. I bet a lot of my tee shots find the rough though. My spin dropped 500 rpm on average and my flight favoured the left side. The main part of the fitting was when I moved onto the chipping green and started to hit bunker shots - these clubs just got better and better, theyre so secure in strike and very reliable. Open navigation menu. timestamp='1364355784' post='6704107'] Notice how few balls landed past the target.. Driver: Cobra Amp Cell Pro (8.5 degrees) Shaft: Aldila RIP Phenom 3-wood: Titleist 906F4 (13.5 degrees) Shaft: Aldila NV 7-wood: Michael Hopper whats in the bag accurate as of the WM Phoenix Open. Shaft: Graphite Design Tour AD IZ 95 X Hybrid, Irons: Titleist T100 (3-9) I dont want my Vokeys to look different to the past designs, I barely want them to perform differently either as you want reliability around the greens. The data has been collected through the TrackMan Combine from over 10,000 golfers of all levels from around the world. Spin- 2645, 1948 low, 3745 high Following 3 Trackman lessons and 4 Trackman practice sessions (and my own research) i have moved my swing path nearly 5 degree in to out. We share your golf passion. I have completely lost my iron swing due to injury and need a swing coach as well as does your program cover this as well? Just ask Corey Pavin, Mark Wilson, Mike Weir, Fred Funk. Trackman is obviously simply a tool for fitting & in no way plays any part on your actual game. [color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(229, 228, 226)]Ball Speed - 185 mph[/background][/size][/color] But he picked up 25 yards for elevation, 25 for wind, and another 45 for extra roll. Whats the proportion of shots wide of the mark by say 80 feet or more (or some width for which there is data) 2. [/quote] I would have guessed #1 because of the "low spin" mantra, even though the launch is a touch low. The TrackMan Combine data collected from over 10,000 golfers of all levels from around the world will be used to analyze his performance in hopes of better understanding where improvement(s) can be made. You're delusional if you think any amateur on WRX that claims to have similar numbers to the longer pros thinks they are also as good as a tour pro. The driver is almost always the most talked about golf club in everyone's bag. Golf critics talk about technology making golf courses obsolete because of distance, but what they fail to clarify is that this only pertains to 0.1% of the golfing population. Mine isnt that much higher and i hit driver 275 yards. Maybe 126 or 127.
As for his short irons his 8-iron yardage is 165, he hits his 9-iron 150 yards and his pitching wedge 135 yards on average. Finally, course strategy is an improvement that can be made without having to change anything relating to the swing, technique, or other physical items. 5 0 obj
With a collection of prestigious wins, including the 2017 FedExCup, 2017 PGA Championship, 2021 PLAYERS and 2022 PGA Championship, Justin Thomas is known to many as a celebrated professional on the PGA TOUR. How Often Do Pros Hit Driver? %PDF-1.5
I do agree the AMA should be playing much shorter courses than most presently do. Too many people walking around either who hit one drive at 300 a round and the rest slice 100 yards that only go 200 straight trying to tell people how great they are at golf when in reality they take like 6 mulligans a round or guys that are actually really good think that they are the norm when in reality they are a small minority and golf would not even exist if it were not for guys like me . He is traditional in what he wants the wedge to look like. get up and down 3 out of the 5 times you miss the green makes all the difference. 398 were here. It's not the length that makes a pro. I often feel articles such as this are skewed. Thats a course representative of the average golfer? Driver: Titleist TSi3 (10 degrees) Shaft: Fujikura Ventus Blue 6 X 3-wood: Titleist TSR3 (15 degrees @ 14.25) Shaft: Mitsubishi Tensei AV RAW Blue 75 TX Hybrid: Titleist TSi2 (21 degrees) Shaft: Graphite Design Tour AD IZ [] The LDA guys can't hang with the short games and are wildly sporadic with their tee shots, hence why they get multiple tries. The following graph shows a plot of the AMAs shots from 160 yards. Should my ball speed be faster based on the distance Im getting. [/quote] Elite level Trackman Golf Coaching from Expert & Award winning coaches, Scott and Jamie Howarth. Trackman is obviously simply a tool for fitting & in no way plays any part on your actual game. Distance is great. I've always gone with clubs based off of feel and ball flight, not what the numbers say. 4 -PW: Callaway Apex MB, KBS $ taper 130X, Wedges - Jaws raw 50, 54, 59 KBS $ taper 130x, Putter- Odyssey Vesa 12 center stroke lab shaft. I think some of you think too highly of yourselves & don't give tour players enough credit. I, and many amateur golfers I play with on a regular basis, have the ability to hit the ball a long way. What about the balls we use. My experience suggests that this is true. I also shot 86. This is so I could hit it higher and spin it more, enabling me to access that tough pin position. [quote name='xmanhockey7' timestamp='1364353356' post='6703825'] And it just isnt true.well at least not on average.
6 Iron Trackman Data - What am I missing? Too delofted? GHIN reported the average male handicap at 15.3 in 2003 and 14.3 in 2012. You could take my woods and irons and pair it with Phil's wedge play and Stricker's putter and I'd be an average PGA tour player. show the real time hit - then after the shot replay it with the numbers/tracer. Impressive Combine Score by a 12 year old boy, How to maximize player performance with small changes. I have also never heard a beginner or poorer striker of the golf ball say I need to lower my ball flight which is what these are said to do. That means the par 4s would average 395 yards. I would say probably is bs. Most golfers I know are happy to drive the ball 200 yards and keep it in the fairway. I know I'm not a short hitter & I know there's a ton of bs on this board. Ive tried this with many people and they shoot about their handicap. Physics First. Most of the guys I play/practice with are +2 to 5 handicaps. Angle of attack, club speed, path, club face. [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364403614' post='6707409'] It's good for some laughs. A single figure golfer all of his adult life he lives in London and still enjoys playing whenever he can with friends and family. Have a look at his numbers. any 7 iron data ? [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364353617' post='6703853'] Driver: GolfWRX is on the ground in Orlando ahead of the 2023 Arnold Palmer Invitational at Bay Hill Club & Lodge. Hes learned nothing Olympic legend launches scathing attack on Tiger Woods over tampon apology, Golf fans left bemused following bizarre Jim Nantz blunder, Best driver 2023: Expert club fitters recommend the best driver for your swing speed, An UP-CLOSE look at Tiger Woods famous Scotty Cameron putter, David Feherty ridiculed for Greg Norman comment during LIV broadcast, Tour pro says LIV would be done if Brooks Koepka returned to PGA Tour, TOUR REPORT: McIlroy switches drivers during Genesis Invitational (plus Tigers iron change). Once AMA understands the likely outcomes for various shots, then he can most effectively implement course strategy for the benefit of improving his golf performance. Absolutely awesome numbers though. [color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(229, 228, 226)]Ball Speed - 185 mph[/background][/size][/color] Take Bubba for example who can increase his AoA to 5-6 and hit balls 350 yards in the air when screwing around on the range however on the course he hardly does that. That tells it would be great to see this information on a broadcast on a couple of hole locations - combined with protracer. If it's a really short par 4, I will hit an iron, hybrid, or fairway wood to play to that ideal distance range. What I find funny is the number of people on here that think it's ridiculous that an amateur golfer claims to have similar numbers to a professional. President & CEO, Boys & Girls Clubs of Kentuckiana, Brent Paladino Shafts: Project X 125 6.5, Wedges: Titleist Vokey Design SM9 (46-10F @46.5, 52-08F @51.5, 56-10S @55.5), Titleist Vokey Design WedgeWorks Proto (60.5 T) This site is owned and operated by Add That Little Extra Limited, a private limited company whose registered office is in London, UK. The following chart shows average handicap versus average club speed. When we compare these stock yardages for irons between the pros we get a consistent view of yardage which we can accurately compare across the players. You dont need to be depressed your swing speed is high enough to play very good golf. If I have a front pin with a hard green, I would go at it harder with the shorter club, maybe a 150 yard pitching wedge. There he became one of the storied programs most decorated athletes being named Phil Mickelson Freshman of the Year, Jack Nicklaus Player of the Year, the Haskins Award Winner as the most outstanding player in collegiate and amateur golf, and capped his collegiate career by helping the Crimson Tide win their first National Championship in 2013. 3. Upgraded core technology takes tee-to-green performance to the next level, New face technologies provide more forgiveness and spin consistency, Designed for golfers with more moderate swing speeds, horny mature is having great time in yttaly's casting, dark haired beauty with big natural boobs" jerk off challenge, she knows how to jump up and down on thick cock, 46, 48, 50, 52, 54, 56, 58, 60, 62. For 6-irons the average is 188 yards, for 7-irons it is 177 yards and 8-irons, 9-irons and pitching wedges go 164, 153 and 141 yards respectively. Driver: Titleist TSi3 (10 degrees) I know I'm not a short hitter & I know there's a ton of bs on this board. Your shot versatility is obtained by a comprehensive 23 head options in different lofts, grinds and bounces. Graeme started playing golf when he was only 4 years old and has loved the game ever since. But the guys with a great wedge and not great length still hack it on tour because they have what matters. A former tour pro told me he hit a tree branch off the tee that knocked his ball down, and it affected his average for the whole year by 15 yards. When looking at how the AMA performs, lets start with the drive. Am I as good as tour pro? [quote name='baseballfrk8998' timestamp='1364403832' post='6707431'] More photos from the event here. The average green size at Torrey Pines South is 6,000 square feet. Although early days yet is there a general reason for the different results in club path. I would recommend that you go visit a TrackMan certified coach, he/she will be able to help you with your club speed. Pro Modus 3 Tour 105 S, Wedges: Callaway Jaws (54-10S, 58-10S), Titleist Vokey Design SM6 (62-08M) Does the AMA truly know how far each of their clubs carries? Made more swing improvement of late and starting to control my driver more. [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364404259' post='6707501'] Justin came from 7 strokes back to start the final round at the 2022 PGA Championship which ties the largest final round comeback in PGA Championship history. I cant say I noticed the lower ball flight but this is something that Titleist have worked on gradually for the last few generations. Little higher launch, still low spin into the wind, and much easier to swing day in and day out. As far as a Trackman goes.I've used it once. Tiger Woods Trackman numbers, I thought they were posted on here at one time from an event. The trend right now with wedge play for all manufacturers is lowering the ball flight on the full shots. Dont be that person, as how your club interacts with the turf is more vital in wedges than with any other club. [quote name='jeffrey08250' timestamp='1364360280' post='6704435'] Hcap 5 will be around 68. There is no age or nationality restriction for the AMA. Desired launch angle, spin rates change based on driver speed. Acting upon real data, not opinion, takes a giant step in that direction. To find a TrackMan Certified coach, please see our locator: trackmangolf.com/locator. Other top articles related to this topic: Graeme Hay is the owner of GolfingFocus.com. My problem is the amount of power i have and need to work on half wings. I still feel these are better players clubs for 15 handicappers or below as they are bladed heads which require you to deliver the club consistently and strike the centre of the face. Since SM6 Vokeys have evolved subtly to be exactly what tour players want. This analysis seems to be for elite athletes. Both wedges I could spin and release depending on the swing I put on the shot, I was especially a fan of the lob wedge chip shot which stopped on the second bounce. Finally the bunker shot, this is where I feel Vokey really stand out and help my game. In the bag I think the wedges looks great. Spin Rate is on the high side, which also could indicate an off-center strike, and probably a negative attack angle both will shorten your distance. All too many golfers go to the course and hit every shot in the hope its the best shot theyve ever hit. :-). Do All Golf Balls Go the Same Distance? Shafts: True Temper Project X PXi, Driver: TaylorMade Stealth 2 Plus (9 degrees @ 8) [/quote]
Justin Thomas Sure, I see guys hitting 250-300 yards, but they are far from the norm. Assuming however the pros are hitting standard lofted pitching, gap, sand and lob wedges we found the following stock distances for how far the pros hit them. I think this is very interesting but misleading. Is a soft ball for club head speed of 90 MPH with the driver better than a hard ball? Lets consider the (average) approach shot distance that the AMA will have on an average par 4. That's what I think. The LDA guys can't hang with the short games and are wildly sporadic with their tee shots, hence why they get multiple tries. I almost just quit playing golf because when I started 4 years ago I was playing golf with two people most of the time that were in the 1% of AMAs . Oddly, I bet you find that you do NOT score significantly better than your handicap even though the distances are short. In truth, the vast majority of golfers are playing from tees that are too long based on their club speed and skill level. Only 0.4% of the average male amateur population is above a club speed of 115 mph. On average, all of the projected distances were 50-70 yards further without the slice. I've had the privilege of playing with and watching tour players in person, so I know what they're capable of. When its hit well I have hit enough times in the 260-270 range so Im probably in that 95 mph swing speed range. I also shot 86. Lj\gUk':Q9d P\Ko?#sU;:MRk;'FTz![]wJQRL/"&Xp]q%F"S4y_fY;<5PemA,YosVrs>l6:cc Im 46 years old and dont think my 95 mph swing speed will increase that dramatically without throwing rhythm off. [color=#ff0000]I'd really like to see Tiger's path and face numbers too among others especially seeing how far left he aims at times. I wonder what his user name is on WRX.. Add Driving Distance by Analyzing the Worlds Longest Driver! Feel free toshare your thoughts and experience in the comment section below. Heat treatment This treatment is now applied to the impact areas of the face to increase durability. Firstly there is really no need to play an 8 iron that long, secondly why on earth would you play nothing but trap draws especially with short iron What I find funny is the number of people on here that think it's ridiculous that an amateur golfer claims to have similar numbers to a professional. I can say that Trackman is second to none, and its always my first recommendation to others. I guess if you don't play with guys that are good, it's understandable. Most of my longer clubs only just creep above the 200 yd mark. Web27K views, 94 likes, 1 loves, 33 comments, 13 shares, Facebook Watch Videos from TrackMan: Congratulations to Justin Thomas, winning the CJ Cup! It will make it a lot easier to give a qualified answer if we have all the numbers :-). Don't doubt the ability of some people to produce similar numbers to the pros. I cant hide my excitement and love for a Vokey wedge and it doesnt change on these.
do Trackman numbers mean? Understanding golf launch monitor results Going back to Torrey Pines South, that is somewhere between the Green and White tees. The handicap system is equally misleading as the vast amount of amateur golfers dont have a handicap, and if they did, they would be 36.4. F rom the comfort of your sofa or if youre lucky, alongside the ropes each major championship gives you a chance to see the biggest hitters in the world unsheathe their drivers and swing away. Take Bubba for example who can increase his AoA to 5-6 and hit balls 350 yards in the air when screwing around on the range however on the course he hardly does that. i suggested he play white from the start and he is happy. You're delusional if you think any amateur on WRX that claims to have similar numbers to the longer pros thinks they are also as good as a tour pro. Shafts: KBS Tour 125 S+, Wedges: TaylorMade Milled Grind 3 (50-09SB, 54-11SB, 60-08LB) They hit 52 gap wedges a stock carry distance of between 126 and 135 yards and carry 56 sand wedges an average distance of 119 to 124 yards. [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364403614' post='6707409'] The new Vokey SM9 wedges has a focus on this exact shot by placing weight higher in the toe. TaylorMade Stealth+ 8 w/ PX Handcrafted Prototype EvenFlow Black 65 6.5, TaylorMade SIM ROCKET 14.5 w/ PX Handcrafted EvenFlow Black 75 6.5, TaylorMade SIM 18 Tour Issue w/ PX Handcrafted EvenFlow Black 75 6.5, TaylorMade SIM 2 Max Rescue 3-19 w/ PX RDX Smoke 90 6.5, TaylorMade SIM 2 Max Rescue 4-22 w/ PX RDX Smoke 90 6.5, Srixon ZX7 6-AW w/ Nippon Modus Tour125 Stiff 915 FD It's good for some laughs. I hit a green today which was 163 so pulled a 6 iron landed on back part of the green 10 yds past the flag. My average distance was 235-245. Do you suppose my distance is bs? Not sure how you measure it down to the exact yard on an average driving range. Imagine being on the practice ground with Justin Thomas or Nelly Korda week in week out. I also play at a local par 3 course which holds the junior par 3 championship and I have shot 7 under around the par 3 course. So much so that if I'm 220 out, a distance I can reach with a perfect 5 wood, ill hit to 50, pitch, putt, par and drive you insane. 2 were over 320. Mack Made Custom Blade. After reading this article I did more research and discovered I should be playing nearly 1200 yards shorter, and doing so without shame. [quote]I don't measure my driver distance. Before when I opened the club face I presented too much leading edge, but due to the high bounce and shape with the M grind this doesnt happen. Odyssey Metal X Milled #1. I take most info in many sections of this board with a grain of salt. It's good for some laughs. This informative information was more helpful for golfers. I suppose you have the biggest and fastest car as well ? I have shot level round the chammpionship course on occasion also though. First we have to determine the average length of the par 4s at your course from the different tees available. I wouldn't take a trackman stat to the bank. This data further confirms the need for most golfers to aim towards the center of the green on all approach shots. Even my 4 iron ball speed max is 137 and Im getting 235 yards. Obviously not. As golf instruction and coaching continue to move more towards verifiable data (what the instructor/coach knows) and further away from guess and check (what the instructor/coach thinks), we expect to see more improvement in the golf community. For example, I could average over 300 yards per round during the summer with a driver. While golf has given Justin a career he thoroughly enjoys, he knows the life lessons golf can provide. Having the ability to hit it the ball as far as they can has nothing to do with me thinking highly of myself. The attention to detail from Bob Vokey is extraordinary and you can feel the change in strike as you try many different heads. Dear Claeys, We highly recommend you to visit a TrackMan coach or fitter close to you, as there are many individual aspects to your question. [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364403614' post='6707409'] I originally tried the 12 bounce in the 52 degree but I could feel the club stuttering in the turf at impact. I am disabled now and dont play at all but i had a spinal fusion and two rods put in my back when i was a teenager. Can trackman info like the dispersion plot data be projected over a course layout? You just have to be fit correctly and learn how to deliver the club better to the ball, and i shoot low 70s and i hit the ball 245 yards with ZERO roll in Thailand so it can be done. ?,
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\)hEhH-hFtL+x I carry my 8 iron about 158 yards when Im hitting it good (see above). I bet a lot of my tee shots find the rough though. Don't doubt the ability of some people to produce similar numbers to the pros. [/quote] The 12 felt good but the 8 slid through the turf and cushioned the ball off the face. Shaft: Fujikura Ventus TR Blue 7 X, 5-wood: TaylorMade Stealth 2 Plus In 2019, he launched the Justin Thomas Foundation, aimed to help military families, junior golf and children in need. Dear friend, do anyone here user Taylormade RSI 1 Irons. Torrey Pines South, huh? It's good for some laughs. Titleist fitting last summer at my home course. In my opinion if your long game level is around hcap 0 you should score 76-80 . Spin- 2645, 1948 low, 3745 high PGA Tour players hit their driver a total of 296.6 yards on average with a carry distance of 284.3 yards according to official 2022 Shotlink data. Check out the actual averages from the PGA Tour for the entire year: Now this is not to say that a tour player cant ramp it up another gear if they felt like showing off. endobj
Trackman stats obviously don't mean that much either. Dont think they ever release that stuff. [quote name='jeffrey08250' timestamp='1364416031' post='6708919'] RocketBladez Tour 4-PW // C-Taper The "you have to be a tour player to hit a long way" mentality is comical to say the least. I think some of you think too highly of yourselves & don't give tour players enough credit. Jordan Spieth WITB 2021 (May Charles Schwab Challenge), Jordan Spieth WITB: 2020 Farmers Insurance Open, Jordan Spieth winning WITB: 2022 RBC Heritage, WITB Time Machine: Jordan Spieths 2015 John Deere Classic winning WITB. If you are a right handed player the slice and above numbers could be due to a heel strike. Of course touring pros are way better than everyone at all facets of the gamethat's why they're out making millions while a bunch of us have idiotic debates over the Internet. The AMA isnt going to be achieving this max theoretical 255 yard drive very often. Total Distance Efficiency 2.484. To help however answer the question as well as we can the table below shows the varying distances some of the top pros, including Tiger Woods, Rory McIlroy and Dustin Johnson, are hitting their wedges, together with the degrees of loft their clubs are listed at. [/quote] I think you wish you hit it further. show the real time hit - then after the shot replay it with the numbers/tracer.
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